He's not sure those things can be separated, which feeds the pause following the question. Finally, he says, "I can think of many uses, for those sorts of resources. And if we think we can use it as a lever toward recognition of mage inheritance rights more broadly, perhaps it would be selfish not to try. But I can't imagine personally running it the way a well-run bannorn should be run. That isn't where my ambitions lie, all other things being equal."

A briefer pause, and he adds, "I can't imagine living there again."